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		<title>Why do people often disagree about what&#8217;s immoral?</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[One reason people often disagree about what&#8217;s immoral is that they have different values. But there&#8217;s another important reason that I think few are aware of: there are at least four different kinds of moral evaluations of behavior, and it&#8217;s easy to conflate them. I argue that only one of these categories is actually sufficient [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>One reason people often disagree about what&#8217;s immoral is that they have different values. But there&#8217;s another important reason that I think few are aware of: there are at least four different kinds of moral evaluations of behavior, and it&#8217;s easy to conflate them. I argue that only one of these categories is actually sufficient grounds for judging an *action* as immoral, despite many people using the other categories to evaluate the morality of actions. I think they are making a subtle (and common) mistake when they do so.</p>



<p>These four categories of moral reactions to behavior are:</p>



<p><strong>1) Disgust:</strong> A visceral, emotional reaction to a behavior (which appears connected to the moral realm) that&#8217;s perceived as gross or disgusting.</p>



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<p>• The disgust that most people would have at the idea of someone eating human flesh (even in a survival scenario where there is no other food available and a person has died of natural causes).</p>



<p>• The disgusted reaction that some (but not most) people have to the idea of gay sex. For instance, in one study I ran, about 40% of Americans said that imagining themselves having sex with someone of their own gender caused them &#8220;an emotion of disgust.&#8221;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p>I think that people sometimes confuse the visceral emotion of disgust in response to a behavior with the behavior itself actually being immoral. Jonathan Haidt&#8217;s &#8220;moral dumbfounding&#8221; experiments support this point of view, where people insist a situation is immoral but can&#8217;t explain what is immoral about it (because the situations were carefully crafted not to violate moral principles and not to involve harm).</p>



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<p><strong>2) Character judgments:</strong> when a behavior is seen as indicative of an unethical character, even in cases where the behavior itself has no actual effects.</p>



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<p>• A person going to watch the daily operations of a slaughterhouse because they are intrigued by the idea of watching an animal die</p>



<p>• A person who enjoys daydreaming about stealing items from people they know, even though they have never stolen before</p>



<p>Cases like these provide evidence (some would argue, though it&#8217;s perhaps debatable) that a person has bad moral character, even if the behaviors themselves are not immoral. But people can jump to thinking an action is immoral because the sort of person that does it is more likely to be immoral, which I&#8217;d argue is, a mistake. While immoral actions are evidence of bad moral character, some actions that are evidence of bad moral character are not themselves immoral actions!</p>



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<p><strong>3) Heuristics: </strong>when a behavior is (collectively) judged as being &#8220;bad&#8221; because it <em>often </em>either causes harm, involves unethical behavior, or involves defecting on a social contract of some sort. These negative judgments can apply even if the behavior in question isn&#8217;t causing any harm in the specific situation where it&#8217;s being witnessed.</p>



<p>Examples:</p>



<p>• Driving fifty miles an hour over the speed limit is generally categorized as bad behavior, but if someone did it because they were driving a dying person to the hospital, we&#8217;d say that was actually okay.</p>



<p>• The head of an organization dating one of their employees is generally viewed as bad behavior because it often leads to harm, but there are instances where many people would say that in that particular case, it was ethically okay, such as cases where the employee insistently initiated the relationship leading to the pair ending up happily married</p>



<p>It&#8217;s easy to think of violations of heuristics like these as being bad, but really what&#8217;s going on is that we&#8217;re socially agreeing they are bad because it&#8217;s a good and helpful rule of thumb to treat them that way. But special circumstances can make them fine. Because of this, it&#8217;s not unreasonable to judge actions as probably bad when they fall in these categories (when we lack other information), but we should be sensitive to the specific details of the case since they are not necessarily bad.</p>



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<p><strong>4) Fundamentally unethical:</strong> a behavior that is, in and of itself, actually unethical according to at least some people&#8217;s deep ethical values. These actions don&#8217;t necessarily cause a feeling of disgust, and don&#8217;t merely appear bad because they are the sort of thing bad people do, and aren&#8217;t merely matching a heuristic about what&#8217;s bad &#8211; they are actually bad because of the precise action for some ethical values that people hold.</p>



<p>Examples:</p>



<p>• Poisoning your toddler because you don&#8217;t want a child</p>



<p>• Pretending you love someone when you don&#8217;t because you lack the courage to be honest</p>



<p>• Secretly spying on someone so you can see them naked</p>



<p>• Violating a promise you swore to uphold merely because you&#8217;re feeling lazy</p>



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<p>When we treat an action as fundamentally unethical merely because it produces a feeling of disgust, or because it&#8217;s the sort of thing that provides evidence of bad character, or only because we have a societal heuristic against it because actions in that category tend to be harmful, I think we&#8217;re making a mistake. These categories are easy to conflate with an action being immoral, but they aren&#8217;t the same thing.</p>



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<p><em>This piece was first written on November 16, 2024, and first appeared on my website on January 20, 2025.</em></p>



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		<title>Ten weird moral theories</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[1. Occamism:&#160;the simpler a moral theory is, the more likely it is to be true. Hence (a priori), the most probable two moral theories are that (a) everything is permissible or that (b) nothing is. 2. Majoritarianism:&#160;an action is morally right if and only if the majority of conscious beings capable of understanding that action [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><strong>1. Occamism:</strong>&nbsp;the simpler a moral theory is, the more likely it is to be true. Hence (a priori), the most probable two moral theories are that (a) everything is permissible or that (b) nothing is.</p>



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<p><strong>2. Majoritarianism:</strong>&nbsp;an action is morally right if and only if the majority of conscious beings capable of understanding that action and its consequences think it&#8217;s right.</p>



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<p><strong>3. Restraintism:</strong>&nbsp;if you have the desire to do something, then you don&#8217;t get moral credit for doing it (since the action is satisfying your OWN desire).</p>



<p>So, to maximize the good you do, become the sort of person that hates everyone and doesn&#8217;t want to help &#8211; then help a lot anyway!</p>



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<p><strong>4. Infinitarianism:</strong>&nbsp;god is infinite goodness. A finite number plus an infinite number is just the same infinite number again (left unchanged). All actions humans take can only create finite good. Hence, no human action can change the total goodness in the universe.</p>



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<p><strong>5. Virtue ethics prime:</strong>&nbsp;virtue ethicists are right &#8211; being good is only about having good character. But it turns out the only character strengths that count as morally good are cleanliness and moderation.</p>



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<p><strong>6. Purely positive utilitarianism:&nbsp;</strong>the only thing that matters morally is the sum total of happy mental states (suffering is irrelevant and doesn&#8217;t impact the calculation). Hence the attempts to airdrop MDMA into the forests.</p>



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<p><strong>7. Qualiaism:&nbsp;</strong>some actions are objectively morally right, and others are objectively wrong, but the criteria determining what is right is unique to each human and inaccessible to anyone who is not that person. Hence, each of us must discover our own unique, objectively-true morality.</p>



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<p><strong>8. Tegmark morality:&nbsp;</strong>for every mathematical structure, there exists some universe for which that structure is a complete description of what&#8217;s morally right. Hence, integer addition is a complete and correct moral theory (in some universe).</p>



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<p><strong>9. Similaritarianism:&nbsp;</strong>how kind you need to behave is determined by how similar someone is to you.</p>



<p>Hence you should be very nice to your parents, less so to strangers, and even less so to a rock. Since you are most similar to yourself, self-kindness is most important of all.</p>



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<p><strong>10. Unnatural law:&nbsp;</strong>we&#8217;re probably living in a simulation. Whoever the simulator(s) were, they were/are vastly more intelligent than us and hence far more likely to understand morality. We must study this creation of theirs (that we call reality) to figure out what&#8217;s good!</p>



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<p><em>This piece was first written on March 19, 2021, and first appeared on this site on April 23, 2023.</em></p>
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