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					<description><![CDATA[This piece was coauthored with Travis Manuel. This is a cross-post from the Clearer Thinking blog. According to YouGov polling, 41% of people in the United States think that it is the greatest country in the world. Others see the U.S. as a place full of arrogance, violence, and inequality. So, what&#8217;s the truth?&#160; The [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><em>This piece was coauthored with <strong>Travis Manuel.</strong> This is a <a href="https://www.clearerthinking.org/post/how-great-is-the-u-s-really?utm_source=ClearerThinking.org&amp;utm_campaign=88387596a0-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_us_greatness&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_term=0_f2e9d15594-bbefd7a486-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D">cross-post from the Clearer Thinking blog</a>.</em></p>



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<p id="viewer-v1w6a183">According to <a href="https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/71wl1vs4ii/International%20toplines_W.pdf?utm_source=ClearerThinking.org&amp;utm_campaign=68afee2da0-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_07_12_08_52&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_term=0_f2e9d15594-68afee2da0-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>YouGov polling</u></a>, 41% of people in the United States think that it is the greatest country in the world. Others see the U.S. as a place full of arrogance, violence, and inequality. So, what&#8217;s the truth?&nbsp;</p>



<p id="viewer-f4ba0208">The truth is that there isn&#8217;t a single notion of what makes something the &#8220;best.&#8221; To explore how great (or not) America is, we&#8217;ll start by looking at the question from multiple angles. We&#8217;ll see how the U.S. stacks up according to a number of important factors before we decide how great it really is:</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-24h7r210">&nbsp;1. Technology&nbsp;</h3>



<p id="viewer-hn12t212">The U.S. is among the best countries in the world for technology and business innovation. It currently ranks 3rd in the United Nations&#8217; <a href="https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/wipo-pub-2000-2023-en-main-report-global-innovation-index-2023-16th-edition.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>Global Innovation Index</u></a>. It has <a href="https://finfan.vn/News/the-unicorn-world-order-1621" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>the most startups worth over $1 billion</u></a>&nbsp;(the 3rd most startups per capita) and is the originator of many technologies used globally. It is also considered by many to be the best place to create a tech startup.&nbsp;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-2ljs42923">2. Violence</h3>



<p id="viewer-wurlp218">The U.S. is a violent place, given its level of wealth, with the <a href="https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country?utm_source=ClearerThinking.org&amp;utm_campaign=68afee2da0-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_07_12_08_52&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_term=0_f2e9d15594-68afee2da0-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>2nd highest</u></a>&nbsp;number of gun-related deaths in the world and the 2nd highest rate of firearm-related suicides per capita. Among high-income countries with at least 10 million people, it has the <a href="https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>highest number</u></a>&nbsp;of homicides per capita.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-khucm224">&#xfe0f;3. Prisons</h3>



<p id="viewer-2jc7a226">The U.S. is a country of many prisoners, with <a href="https://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>the most people in prison</u></a>&nbsp;of any country in the world and the <a href="https://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison_population_rate?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>6th highest</u></a>&nbsp;incarceration rate in the world (and the single highest rate among wealthy countries).</p>



<p id="viewer-p2mvt7336">Violent crime charges are <a href="https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2023.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>the number 1 reason</u></a>&nbsp;people are locked up in the U.S. (though <a href="https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2023.html#:~:text=In%20reality%2C%20state%20and%20federal,drugs%20are%20considered%20violent%20crimes" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>in some cases</u></a>, the definitions for &#8220;violent&#8221; can include actions that don&#8217;t cause immediate physical harm, such as purse snatching and drug manufacturing).&nbsp;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-qb4wi8050">4. Wealth</h3>



<p id="viewer-lkimd236">It&#8217;s an extremely wealthy place with the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>highest nominal GDP</u></a>&nbsp;in the world, as well as the highest GDP per capita (both <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>nominal</u></a>&nbsp;and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>PPP</u></a>) of any country with over 10 million people. <a href="https://apps.bea.gov/iTable/index.html?appid=70&amp;stepnum=40&amp;Major_Area=3&amp;State=06000&amp;Area=XX&amp;TableId=531&amp;Statistic=3&amp;Year=2022&amp;YearBegin=-1&amp;Year_End=-1&amp;Unit_Of_Measure=Levels&amp;Rank=0&amp;Drill=1&amp;nRange=5&amp;AppId=70" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>California’s economy</u></a>&nbsp;alone is large enough that, if California were a country, it would rank 6th in the world by some metrics. And by some metrics, Texas’s economy is larger than Russia’s and would rank 8th.</p>



<p id="viewer-z38yx12808">About <a href="https://www.credit-suisse.com/media/assets/corporate/docs/about-us/research/publications/global-wealth-databook-2022.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>9% of U.S. adults</u></a>&nbsp;are millionaires, and <a href="https://www.credit-suisse.com/media/assets/corporate/docs/about-us/research/publications/global-wealth-databook-2022.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>39% of ALL millionaires</u></a>&nbsp;are in or from the U.S.&nbsp;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-vxy7213907">5. Inequality</h3>



<p id="viewer-wtqob250">The U.S. is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>a fairly unequal place</u></a>&nbsp;in terms of wealth and income, with inequality higher than 63% of countries (the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>Gini coefficient</u></a>&nbsp;is 39 vs. a world average of 38). It&#8217;s the 5th most unequal among the 37 OECD countries, and the average income of the top 20% of earners is 9.4 times the bottom 20% (though note that inequality figures can be dependent on how taxes and social benefits are handled in the calculations).</p>



<p id="viewer-9k3qo16994">The wealth gap in the U.S. is especially pronounced <a href="https://www.rand.org/blog/rand-review/2023/05/what-would-it-take-to-close-americas-black-white-wealth-gap.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>across racial lines</u></a>, with the median Black household having $24,000 in savings vs. the median white household with $189,000 in savings (almost 8x more).&nbsp;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-mlo6v19495">6. Science</h3>



<p id="viewer-b85pr258">The U.S. is a very scientifically innovative place, with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>the most Nobel prizes</u></a>&nbsp;of any country (the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_laureates_per_capita" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>15th highest</u></a>&nbsp;per capita). It also has the 2nd highest annual patent applications (which is the 4th highest per capita), many of the world&#8217;s top universities, and <a href="https://www.pharma-iq.com/pre-clinical-discovery-and-development/articles/top-five-countries-running-the-most-clinical-trials" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>the most clinical trials</u></a>&nbsp;worldwide.&nbsp;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-qbrxl22513">7. Health</h3>



<p id="viewer-m3kc8266">The U.S. is an unhealthy place relative to its level of wealth. It has the <a href="https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-obese-countries/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>10th highest prevalence</u></a>&nbsp;of obesity (the highest of any wealthy country) and the <a href="https://ourworldindata.org/illicit-drug-use" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>highest rate of death from illicit drugs</u></a>&nbsp;of any country where such data is known. Life expectancy in the U.S. is 79 years, which places it <a href="https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>47th highest</u></a>&nbsp;out of 193 countries (so, it&#8217;s roughly in the top 25th percentile).&nbsp;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-lokeo25196">8. Entertainment</h3>



<p id="viewer-qrs52274">The U.S. is arguably the most influential country in the world in terms of entertainment production, with <a href="https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/country-breakdown/2022" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>the most movies made</u></a>&nbsp;each year of any country, as well as the largest box office sales and <a href="https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/slideshows/top-10-most-musical-countries?slide=10" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>the largest music market size</u></a>.&nbsp;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-1ufic27776">9. Healthcare</h3>



<p id="viewer-g71nt280">Many Americans feel let down by U.S. healthcare despite the U.S. <a href="https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>spending the most</u></a>&nbsp;per capita on healthcare of anywhere in the world. Roughly 48% of Americans <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/468176/americans-sour-healthcare-quality.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>rate the healthcare system</u></a>&nbsp;as excellent or good, 31% as fair, and 21% as poor, which are worse ratings than surveys found in the 2010s.</p>



<p id="viewer-bkz7731927">The U.S. has exceptional top hospitals but bad price transparency (so it&#8217;s hard to know what you will end up paying) and inflated prices relative to a lot of the rest of the world.&nbsp;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-aji6f30812">10. Desirability</h3>



<p id="viewer-5mdza286">The U.S. is rated the single <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/468218/nearly-900-million-worldwide-wanted-migrate-2021.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>most desirable place to move to</u></a>&nbsp;for people worldwide looking to emigrate, though its ratings have declined somewhat. In terms of Americans wanting to leave, during the Bush and Obama eras, about 10% of Americans said they&#8217;d like to move to another country, and this jumped to 16% in the Trump era.&nbsp;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-sr7k634837">11. Military</h3>



<p id="viewer-uphbr290">The U.S. spends a shocking amount on its military, with about 39% of <a href="https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2023-04/2304_fs_milex_2022.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>ALL worldwide defense spending</u></a>&nbsp;being by the U.S. At times its military power has been a stabilizing force worldwide (e.g., against the Nazis). On the other hand, the U.S. has also initiated a number of disastrous wars.&nbsp;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-d54rp38012">12. Happiness</h3>



<p id="viewer-n4lg0294">The U.S. is a pretty happy place. When Americans are asked to rate their &#8220;general satisfaction with life on a scale from 0 to 10&#8221;, the average score is a 7 (compared to an OECD average score of 6.7), which places the U.S. <a href="https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/life-satisfaction/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>14th highest among 41 OECD countries</u></a>.</p>



<p id="viewer-8dw3041294">When asked to imagine a ladder, with steps numbered from 0 to 10 at the top, with the top representing the best possible life for you and the bottom the worst possible one,</p>



<p id="viewer-amxdi42891">Americans place themselves at 6.9 on average, which is 16th highest out of 167 countries (i.e., 10th percentile). According to the <a href="https://happiness-report.s3.amazonaws.com/2022/WHR+22_Ch2.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>World Happiness Index</u></a>, which attempts to evaluate countries’ happiness by combining factors like GPD per capita, social support, healthy life expectancy, freedom to make life choices, generosity, and perceptions of corruption, the U.S. is 16th out of 142 countries (i.e., 11th percentile). &#xfe0f;</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-s8oy944524">13. Ideals</h3>



<p id="viewer-1040d300">The U.S. has high ideals, some of which are reflected in the Declaration of Independence: &#8220;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.</p>



<p id="viewer-182zd48587">It sometimes lives up to these (e.g., through its strong personal freedoms), and sometimes has dramatically failed to live up to them (e.g., in its use of slavery and treatment of Indigenous Americans).&nbsp;</p>



<h1 class="wp-block-heading" id="viewer-v6u8u302"><strong>Reaching a verdict: How great is the U.S., really?</strong></h1>



<p id="viewer-cbvaz53288">So, is the U.S. one of the greatest countries? One approach to this question is to simply say that it can&#8217;t be answered because different countries differ in too many ways to make such comparisons possible. Another approach is to say that just one of the factors above trumps all the others.</p>



<p id="viewer-u9cku55035">Our preferred view, however, is to think of it in terms of your values: depending on what your values are, you will weigh the factors above differently. By some sets of values, the U.S. may arguably be the best country, whereas, by others, it doesn&#8217;t even come close.</p>



<p id="viewer-75u1s306">At our organization, <a href="https://www.clearerthinking.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>Clearer Thinking</u></a>, we conducted research to figure out what it is that people value intrinsically (that is, what people value for its own sake &#8211; not as a means to other things). We&#8217;ve organized the results of that research into 22 different categories of common values:</p>



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<p id="viewer-zigel314">Once you have a list of your own intrinsic values (which you can find out with our <a href="https://programs.clearerthinking.org/intrinsic_values_test.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>Intrinsic Values Test</u></a>), then you can start to answer the question of how great the U.S. is.</p>



<p id="viewer-x1zxp319">For instance, if you have strong values related to protecting those who are less fortunate, you may give the U.S. lower marks due to its relatively high levels of inequality, whereas if you place more value on achievement, the U.S. may get higher marks due to being highly innovative in technology, business, and science.</p>



<p id="viewer-giy2q322">It can be easy to base your judgments, including those about how good the U.S. is, on group identity rather than based on careful consideration of the facts and what you value. As political scientists Patrick Miller and Pamela Johnston Conover <a href="https://doi.org/10.1177/1065912915577208" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><u>have said</u></a>:</p>



<p id="viewer-e2q6c327">“The behavior of partisans resembles that of sports team members acting to preserve the status of their teams rather than thoughtful citizens participating in the political process for the broader good.”&nbsp;</p>



<p id="viewer-qmdsl330">Employing a framework like the one outlined above, where you:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>first attempt to impartially consider the facts,</li>



<li>then consider your values,&nbsp;</li>



<li>and use the facts to inform how good or bad the thing is according to your values, can help you ensure that you’re deriving your conclusions thoughtfully and carefully, rather than simply deriving them from a desire (conscious or not) to conform to the expectations of group identities.</li>
</ol>



<p id="viewer-df74879769">Ultimately, whether you conclude that the U.S. is great or not, we suggest basing your judgment on an evaluation of the facts plus careful consideration of your own values, not based on other people’s expectations.</p>



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<p><em>This piece was first published on the Clearer Thinking blog on January 3, 2024, and first appeared on my website on January 10, 2024.</em></p>
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<p>Opposing parties in debates over commonly-raised questions often fail to focus their arguments on the same concept. These &#8220;ambiguous questions&#8221; are usually those that are fundamentally unresolvable until one disambiguation of the question is agreed upon. Until that disambiguation is reached, the debate often swirls in circles as different parties effectively argue about distinct topics, seemingly discussing the same thing.</p>



<p>Examples of common &#8220;ambiguous questions&#8221; include debates like:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>Is healthcare a right?</li></ul>



<p>Well, what is a &#8216;right,&#8217; and is that truly the question here that we mean to be asking?</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>Is milk healthy for kids?</li></ul>



<p>Well, what does &#8216;healthy&#8217; mean, and when we say &#8216;healthy,&#8217; what alternative are we comparing it to implicitly?</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>Is immigration good?&nbsp;</li></ul>



<p>Well, what is &#8216;good&#8217;? Do we mean what advantages and disadvantages are there to immigration?</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>Is obesity a disease?</li></ul>



<p>Well, what is a &#8216;disease,&#8217; and what are we hoping to determine by asking this question?]</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>Is abortion murder?</li></ul>



<p>Well, what are we truly trying to get at by asking if it&#8217;s &#8216;murder&#8217;?</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>Is marriage defined as being between a man and a woman?</li></ul>



<p>What do we mean by &#8216;defined&#8217; here, and how will determining the &#8216;definition&#8217; answer any questions for us?</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>Is a trans person who identifies as a woman actually a woman?</li></ul>



<p>What does &#8216;actually&#8217; mean here, and in what ways does that bear on the reasons we&#8217;re having this discussion?</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>Should performance-enhancing drugs be banned from sports?</li></ul>



<p>What is a &#8216;performance-enhancing drug,&#8217; and for what reasons do we want to ban them?</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>To focus more on one specific example, consider the question:</li></ul>



<p>&#8220;Is it healthier to have a diet that has no meat or that includes meat?&#8221;</p>



<p>Different disambiguations of these questions could begin to be tackled empirically, but the empirical methods would differ, and the difficulty level could range from relatively easy to answer to nearly impossible, depending on what we mean by the question. For instance, the questions could be disambiguated as:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>&#8220;If we take meat eaters in a society and make them go vegetarian (i.e., meatless), would that make them healthier?&#8221; Of course, this is still ambiguous because it will depend on what vegetarian food they are made to eat, and what society we started with, and how we define health (e.g., longevity? absence of chronic disease?). Even if we settle these subquestions though, the causal question is quite challenging to answer and very expensive to study, but could, in principle, be answered with randomized controlled trials (i.e., randomize some people to change to one vegetarian diet, some to change to another vegetarian diet, etc.).</li></ul>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>&#8220;On average, when a person decides to switch from a meat-eating diet to a vegetarian (i.e., meatless) one, does it make them healthier?&#8221; This could, in principle, be answered (once we decide on a metric for health) with a longitudinal study tracking people across time, but we&#8217;d still have to rule out effects of other changes besides the dietary ones that tend to coincide with the dietary changes, which could be tricky.</li></ul>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>&#8220;If we were constructing the &#8216;optimally healthy on average&#8217; human diet, would it include any meat or be all vegetarian?&#8221; Well, even if we decide on how to define &#8220;healthy,&#8221; nutrition scientists probably just don&#8217;t know enough about humans to answer this question. Plus, there are SO many possible diets; there is no way we could test them all. But in principle, we could start testing many combinations of foods in carefully controlled experiments where we make study participants switch to a prescribed diet to find combinations that seem to work really well for health. This would at least make a small amount of progress. It could, of course, even turn out that the &#8220;healthiest&#8221; diet is strongly specific to the individual&#8217;s body or that the &#8220;healthiest&#8221; diet will one day involve foods specifically manufactured for each person&#8217;s body.</li></ul>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>&#8220;If we look at vegetarians within non-vegetarian cultures, are they healthier than the non-vegetarians around them?&#8221; Well, this could depend on which cultures we&#8217;re talking about but could be answered with individual-level survey data once we pick a culture and a metric for health.</li></ul>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>&#8220;If we look at traditionally vegetarian cultures, are they healthier on average than non-vegetarian cultures?&#8221; Well, what do we mean by health? If we settle on a definition of health (e.g., longevity or rate of heart attacks), we could then answer this empirically with group-level statistics about different regions (e.g., what&#8217;s the average longevity in the mostly vegetarian vs. mostly non-vegetarian regions). This is probably not what most people mean by the question, but it&#8217;s relatively easier to answer than most of the other disambiguations.</li></ul>



<p>Our society cannot reach conclusions effectively with out getting a clear view of our issues.</p>
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