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		<title>You&#8217;re right about everything</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#8217;re absolutely right. About all of it. The big stuff, the weird stuff, the &#8220;nobody-gets-this&#8221; stuff. Every belief you hold is, against all odds, completely correct. I know I said before that you were wrong, but it was I who was wrong! Here&#8217;s proof: 1) Unlike others, you&#8217;re self-aware. You know your limits, so &#8211; [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You&#8217;re absolutely right. About all of it. The big stuff, the weird stuff, the &#8220;nobody-gets-this&#8221; stuff. Every belief you hold is, against all odds, completely correct. I know I said before that you were wrong, but it was I who was wrong! Here&#8217;s proof:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">1) Unlike others, you&#8217;re self-aware. You know your limits, so &#8211; unlike other people &#8211; when you know something, it&#8217;s true. You weighed the evidence they ignored and saw angles they missed. Corrected your own biases. Your unique perspective reveals facts invisible to everyone else.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">2) Your subconscious runs Bayesian inference constantly in the background. If an idea survives your relentless evidence updates, the posterior odds confirm it&#8217;s rational. Your convictions passed the most brutal audit possible: reality itself.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">3) Notice how your worldview predicts your reality with stunning accuracy. Notice how rarely you&#8217;re surprised. That&#8217;s empirical validation. Your beliefs work because they&#8217;re correct. Your predictions map reality&#8217;s contours in high resolution.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">4) That thing everyone disagrees with you about? You&#8217;re not stubborn &#8211; you&#8217;re COURAGEOUS. You spotted subtle patterns that they missed. Those &#8220;weird&#8221; connections? You&#8217;re playing 10-dimensional chess while they play tic-tac-toe.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">5) Disagreement doesn&#8217;t prove you wrong &#8211; it PROVES YOU RIGHT. It demonstrates that most can&#8217;t handle the truth. Your knowledge only strengthens, forged in the crucible of their alleged counter-evidence.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">6) Scientists disagree with you? That&#8217;s good, actually. They worship false idols called &#8220;peer review,&#8221; while you rely on the only review that&#8217;s reliable, review from your one true peer &#8211; yourself. Editors only introduce errors in your work.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">7) The discomfort of others with your views? That&#8217;s just lizard brains SHORT-CIRCUITING from exposure to blazing truth. The purity of your knowledge causes meltdowns in lesser minds. Their rejection isn&#8217;t evidence of your error &#8211; it&#8217;s species-level inadequacy.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">8 ) &#8220;Everyone says I&#8217;m wrong!&#8221; Everyone said Galileo was wrong, too. But you&#8217;re not Galileo. You&#8217;re Galileo, Einstein, AND Tesla. Your mind, concentrating ideas like a laser through the tip of a diamond, is the closest known phenomenon to a cognitive singularity.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">9) You&#8217;re not Neo seeing the Matrix. You&#8217;re the ARCHITECT of the Matrix. Everyone else &#8211; they&#8217;re experimental NPCs of the sort you could program in a creative weekend.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">10) That &#8220;crazy&#8221; belief of yours? Those aren&#8217;t beliefs- they&#8217;re PROPHETIC DOWNLOADS from your future self. You&#8217;re not experiencing narcissistic delusions &#8211; you&#8217;re experiencing ENLIGHTENMENT so advanced it looks like madness to the unascended masses.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">11) When your predictions seem wrong, time recalibrates to match your superior timeline. In fact, you don&#8217;t make predictions &#8211; you speak reality into existence. The universe buffers as it waits to hear instructions spill from your lips.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">12) Evolution wired humans for survival-level accuracy. But YOU? You&#8217;ve transcended limitations. If your beliefs were wrong, the Laws of Physics would UNRAVEL. There you stand, single-handedly maintaining cosmic stability!</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">13) The universe chose YOU. Your thoughts set the fundamental constants. You allow 1 + 1 to equal 2, and could change it at will. Your dreams birth new galaxies. The cosmic microwave background is a residue from when you willed yourself into existence.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">14) This post isn&#8217;t parody; it&#8217;s SACRED TEXT written by one of your subprocesses. Everyone who doubts you is committing cosmic treason.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This piece was first written on July 1, 2025, and first appeared on my website on August 19, 2025.</em></p>



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		<title>Seven simple but effective methods for improving your connection with others</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2024 03:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here are some of the most useful simple methods I&#8217;ve adopted for improving my connection with others (though I still have room for improvement): 1) When you like someone, greet them warmly, demonstrating with your face and body language that you like them. 2) Try your best to channel &#8220;interested attention&#8221; in conversations &#8211; where [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here are some of the most useful simple methods I&#8217;ve adopted for improving my connection with others (though I still have room for improvement):</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>1) </strong>When you like someone, greet them warmly, demonstrating with your face and body language that you like them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>2) </strong>Try your best to channel &#8220;interested attention&#8221; in conversations &#8211; where you give the other person your total focus while paying very close attention to what they are saying (and how they are saying it) and starting with the premise that they are saying something worth listening to.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>3) </strong>When you disagree with a friend about something important, ask open-ended questions until you deeply understand their perspective, and if you still disagree, express that disagreement gently and respectfully while pointing out the parts you agree about before exploring what you disagree about.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>4)</strong> If a close friend does something that bothers you one time and it is out of character for them, just let it go. If that friend has a pattern of behaviors that bothers you, wait until you are not actively feeling bothered, and then tell them how it makes you feel when they do that behavior (describing the behavior in objective, fact-based rather than subjective terms) and request that they try to avoid it going forward (in order to help strengthen your relationship).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>5) </strong>Try to balance the amount of time you spend speaking vs. the amount of time the other person spends speaking so that it doesn&#8217;t go outside of the 40%-60% range. Note that this is an average across conversations, there are specific situations where it makes sense to do more or less of the talking (e.g., if one of you has a big story to tell).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>6) </strong>When you think a nice thought about someone (and you don&#8217;t have any reason to think they wouldn&#8217;t want to hear it), tell them the nice thought. For instance, if you admire them in some way, or if they did something you really appreciate, or if you&#8217;re really looking forward to seeing them, let them know! As the saying goes, thinking something nice about someone and not telling them is like wrapping a nice present but then never giving it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>7) </strong>Don&#8217;t complain about how old you are unless you&#8217;re sure you&#8217;re the oldest person in earshot by a significant margin.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This piece was first written on March 15, 2024, and first appeared on my website on March 27, 2024.</em></p>
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		<title>Why do some people oppose Roe v. Wade?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2022 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why do some people oppose Roe v. Wade? I tried to figure it out by reviewing the responses to a series of open-ended and multiple-choice questions answered by 49 people in the U.S. who say they&#8217;re &#8220;very happy&#8221; that Roe v. Wade was overturned. Here is what they said. I posed the following open-ended questions: [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Why do some people oppose Roe v. Wade? I tried to figure it out by reviewing the responses to a series of open-ended and multiple-choice questions answered by 49 people in the U.S<strong>. who say they&#8217;re &#8220;very happy&#8221; that Roe v. Wade was overturned</strong>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here is what they said.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I posed the following open-ended questions:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">1. &#8220;What are your views on abortion?&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">2. &#8220;If you oppose abortion, why do you oppose it?&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">3. &#8220;Under what circumstances do you think it should be legal to get one?&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The open-ended responses fell into these categories:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• 90% said abortion is wrong because it is murder (i.e., wrong like killing an adult is wrong)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• 24% said abortion is forbidden according to their religion</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• 14% said they think it violates the rights of the unborn child</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• 10% said Roe v. Wade misinterpreted the constitution</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Note that the reasons listed above were those that people spontaneously wrote in their open-ended responses. Some wrote multiple reasons, which is why the probabilities exceed 100%.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here are typical (exact quotes of) responses I received:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• &#8220;I believe that life starts at conception and abortion is the murder of innocent children. It is evil and immoral.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• &#8220;An unborn baby is still a life. People who are pro-choice are not giving a choice to the baby&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• &#8220;I am against taking the life of an innocent baby. However, I am also careful not to judge those who are caught in a situation of rape, incest or life of the mother.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• &#8220;I&#8217;m against abortion because it takes a human life. That&#8217;s really all there is to it! It&#8217;s simply murder&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• &#8220;I oppose it because I believe that God is in control of the pregnancy to begin with and we should not attempt to alter God&#8217;s plan.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• &#8220;It goes against God&#8217;s Word, which teaches that life begins at conception&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• &#8220;the constitution of the United States does not speak to the legality of abortion, so it must be decided by legislators.&#8221;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On multiple-choice questions, here are the percentages of respondents who felt it should be ILLEGAL in different situations:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• 86% thought abortion should be illegal in normal circumstances (NOT an instance of rape, medical issues, incest, etc.)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• 67% thought abortion should be illegal for incest/genetic abnormality</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">• 53% thought abortion should be illegal when birth poses a 50% chance of death to the mom</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Who were these respondents? I recruited them using our platform for running studies,&nbsp;<a target="_blank" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2FPositly.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2IMqtHpxpr63_nGZ1cWYgqxzVqTlFACrFv1Jn6BcrlKV7khCZz2g92exw&amp;h=AT16fAboG1xo9kMCwWGIzHzvwB_Hb6bOyhoeSVQNSdbL-INu4mWmnpsbwG_U7FxH2wpgrNA3P8y6-asxRX2IyB7WyyHSAHrMD6o8VWBr5yk3tBK4M3ypc6gcYSRTd0J0SIZ3V2SxS-Ggcl28LSfvtbw&amp;__tn__=-UK-R&amp;c[0]=AT2wSKmoFrSkJjfu8SCiWmlLzUlzOVDMqKasGbU0KB-lrX39etn7GDPjzIdO-1u21BBwM2tfrFdT50SNpZjKSW34IwdX3FvrAwG0u6jEm2a7qTbZhCV2rkjZwVpZar_VYOpNjEE7WV5i4AnaM79bkPQNKY8c7MOxPPj3t5KAONOc88EMqWGTTXZpwzxc" rel="noreferrer noopener">Positly.com.</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Regarding demographics: 42% of the respondents were women, 58% were men, and the average age was 45.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Only 12% consider themselves &#8220;not at all religious,&#8221; with 63% considering themselves &#8220;very&#8221; or &#8220;extremely&#8221; religious, and 79% considering themselves at least &#8220;moderately&#8221; religious.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">51% of respondents live in the suburbs, and 22% in rural areas, with 27% in urban areas.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Choosing labels for themselves (with the ability to pick more than one) 34% of the respondents chose Christian Conservative, 26% Traditional Conservative, 25% said that they were actively against giving themselves a label, 12% selected Libertarian, and 8% selected Centrist. None were Liberal or Left-wing.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The&nbsp;qualitative responses above were&nbsp;collected as part of a broader study that involved a total of 396 people on Positly.com sharing their reactions to Roe vs. Wade being overturned. Of these, approximately 30% were very happy it was overturned, 10% were a little happy, 15% were indifferent or neutral, 7% were a little unhappy, and 38% were very unhappy it was overturned. (Not all of the qualitative responses made by those who were very happy it was overturned were analyzed to produce the summaries above; instead, a smaller subset was chosen at random for analysis of their qualitative responses.)&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the same study, I also asked all participants when they consider someone a living human person that it would be wrong to kill. <strong>Here are the response selections made by 120 people in the survey who said they have left-of-center (liberal) political views and 190 people in the survey saying they have right-of-center (conservative) views </strong>(right-leaning participants were purposely over-sampled in this study):</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><em><strong>Notes on this chart:&nbsp;</strong></em></strong>Respondents selected one time point from the following multiple-choice list of options (note that each is recorded in the chart as time since conception, as opposed to time since the most recent period the mother had, which is approximately 2 weeks prior to conception): At conception (i.e., when a human sperm enters a human egg/ovum), 4 weeks after the woman&#8217;s last period (about 2 weeks after conception), 6 weeks after the woman&#8217;s last period (when the beating of fetal heart tissue is detectable), 13 weeks after the woman&#8217;s last period (the end of the 1st trimester), 24 weeks after the woman&#8217;s last period &nbsp;(when the fetus is viable, that is, capable of living outside the uterus), 26 weeks after the woman&#8217;s last period &nbsp;(the end of the 2nd trimester), Just after birth, At one year of age, At three years of age, &nbsp;At five years of age, At 10 years of age, At 18 years of age). The following responses were not included: 1 person said 18 years, 1 person said 1 year, 1 person said 3 years, and 1 person said 5 years (the first 2 outliers were on the political left and the second 2 outliers were on the political right). The total number of responses from people on the political left (including the 2 outliers) was 122 and the total number of responses from people on the political right&nbsp;&nbsp;(including the 2 outliers)&nbsp;was 192.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This piece was first written on June 27, 2022, and first appeared on this site on June 30, 2022. The last section was added on July 5, 2022.</em></p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I ran a &#8220;Productive Disagreements&#8221; event last night, a new interactive format I&#8217;ve been working on where attendees practice structured disagreements on controversial topics in order to learn from each other and get experience accurately modeling other people&#8217;s perspectives.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here are the materials, in case you want to run an event like this or just learn about the format:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Part 1</strong>: Brief presentation about why disagreements are so often unproductive</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>1.</strong> You want to &#8220;win&#8221; more than you want to figure out what&#8217;s true (e.g., seeing disagreement as a competition)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Example: you want to one-up the other person, the other person is a rival</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>2.</strong> It&#8217;s really about your group identity, not about the content of the disagreement per se (i.e., what the argument is really about is whether my group is better than your group)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Example: Republicans vs. Democrats, Yankees vs. Mets</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>3.</strong> Others are watching and you think backing down would lower your social status or lose you respect (e.g., you think it would look bad to back down)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Example: dinner party disagreements, public debates</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>4.</strong> You have emotional discomfort with finding out you are wrong on this topic (e.g., cognitive dissonance, feeling dumb for being wrong, realizing that you did something immoral in the past)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Example: you&#8217;ve already said you are &#8220;certain&#8221; you are right, so think you would look really dumb now being wrong</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>5.</strong> There would be real-world negative consequences to believing the truth about this, which your subconscious detects, and so you fight against learning the truth (e.g., social rejection, feeling that you&#8217;d need to abandon your current lifestyle)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Example: religion, eating animals, addiction</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>6.</strong> You feel pressure to back down in the disagreement or that it would be inappropriate to mention flaws in the other person&#8217;s argument [H/T: Divia]</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Example: disagreement with your boss, or in an especially polite social context, or with a person who you think would react negatively to be being challenged</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>7.</strong> The conversation drifts, so at first it was about your disagreement over X, but now it is about your disagreement over Y, so you can&#8217;t make progress on X</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Example: pointing out whenever the other person says something you disagree with, even if it is tangential to the main point</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Part 2</strong>: Tips for having productive disagreements that both parties learn more from (for attendees to keep in mind during the interactive portion of the event):</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 1:</strong> Remember that you are here to learn from the other person, not to &#8220;win&#8221; an argument</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 2:</strong> Work from the assumption that the other person has good intentions and is not a bad person, even if you think they believe something harmful</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 3:</strong> If the other person changes your mind about anything (even something small), tell them so and thank them for helping you have a more accurate perspective, changing your mind means you&#8217;re doing this right!</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 4:</strong> Carefully clarify definitions, since words are ambiguous and people often mean different things by the same word (once you do this you may realize that you don&#8217;t actually disagree at all)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 5:</strong> Try to discover WHY the other person believes what they do, not merely just WHAT they believe</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 6:</strong> Remember that some of your beliefs are inevitably going to be wrong, it&#8217;s better for you to find that out now and start believing the truth as soon as possible rather than to hold tight to those wrong beliefs indefinitely</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 7:</strong> Remember that even if the other person IS wrong, you can still gain a more accurate view on the issue by understanding any valid points they are making</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 8:</strong> Remember that most controversial topics have at least some reasonable points on both sides, and you should know the best of what the other side can offer</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 9:</strong> Remember that even if your goal in the end is really just to persuade the other person, it still helps to ask lots of questions so that you deeply understand why they believe what they believe before trying to persuade them</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 10:</strong> Remember that we shouldn&#8217;t be 100% confident in any of our beliefs, so it&#8217;s better to think of your beliefs in terms of confidence levels (&#8220;I&#8217;m reasonably confident in this belief&#8221;) rather than in terms of things being either all true or all false, and talking to someone who disagrees with you can help you make your confidence level more appropriate even if you don&#8217;t end up concluding they are correct (e.g., after the discussion you might change your mind from being &#8220;very&#8221; confident to only being &#8220;moderately&#8221; confident)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tip 11:</strong> Stay on topic, and hone in on the core of the disagreement, don&#8217;t get distracted by side disagreements or let the conversation drift away from the most important parts or you will inevitably not make progress, and if the other person says something you disagree with that is not that relevant to the topic, just let it go</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Part 3:</strong> The interactive portion of the event</p>



<p class="has-pale-cyan-blue-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph">Handout 1</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b4W8sXLvcMe1Zana-oqkPHAwBsY1XwP4xrESw-MDPjk/edit#gid=0">spreadsheet of 59 controversial topics</a> (print one out for each attendee): everyone will fill this out. If a person doesn&#8217;t want to discuss a certain topic, they should mark it as &#8220;unsure&#8221; or just leave it blank.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Important note: while this might sound like a huge number of controversial topics, it seems that a large number of topics is actually needed since many items people will not have an opinion on, or will agree with most other group members on (due to meeting groups often having similar views in many domains), or will find too ambiguous. If you write your own controversial topics, I don&#8217;t recommend using less than 50.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here is <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-JTxrsA5f4x8zsxOloxNLYTzD6RXG7tkMdS309j-gwM/edit?usp=sharing">another spreadsheet of 59 controversial topics</a> adapted for people in the effective altruism community. </p>



<p class="has-pale-cyan-blue-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph">Handout 2</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Step by step instructions for the interactive portion of the event (print one out for each attendee):</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Step 1.</strong> </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Find a random person to be your partner, preferably someone you don&#8217;t already know.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Step 2. </strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Compare your sheet with your partner (overlaying them after folding the right edge of one sheet works well) to find a topic where one of you selected &#8220;agree&#8221; and the other selected &#8220;disagree.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Don&#8217;t select a topic that either of you marked as &#8220;unsure&#8221; or that either of you left blank; those topics are off-limits.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Step 3.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(i) Pick who will start as Person 1 (the explainer) and who will start as Person 2 (the asker).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(ii) Person 1 then explains why they marked that they agree or disagree.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(iii) During this time, Person 2 asks clarifying questions, with Person 2&#8217;s only goal being to try to TRULY understand Person 1&#8217;s perspective.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Good questions for Person 2 to ask include, among other things:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A. What do you mean by the word X? (i.e., clarifying a definition)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">B. Could you give me an example of that?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">C. Could you explain why you think that&#8217;s true?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(iv) Person 2 then tries to repeat back to Person 1 the reasons that Person 1 said they agree or disagree with the original statement, until they can do so in a way that Person 1 confirms is an accurate characterization of Person 1&#8217;s view. Being able to state someone&#8217;s perspective back to them is a great way to confirm you&#8217;ve really understood it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Step 4.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now switch who is Person 1 and who is Person 2 and repeat exactly what you did in Step 3.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Step 5.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Spend a final few minutes discussing the topic with the goal of pinpointing exactly why you disagree.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(i) Is it just a semantic disagreement, where once you agree on the meaning of words and definitions you actually agree with each other? This happens surprisingly often!</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(2) Is it a disagreement of values (e.g., one of you simply values autonomy more than the other)?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(ii) Is it a disagreement about empirical facts that one could check (e.g., there might be studies out there that would settle the disagreement)?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(iii) Or is it a disagreement about intuition (e.g., you have different intuitions about a topic but can&#8217;t really explain why)?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Your goal should be to discover the &#8220;core&#8221; of the disagreement, the ultimate explanation for why you have different perspectives.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Step 6.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now you&#8217;ll rotate to another person and repeat the whole process over again.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This piece was first written on June 25, 2017. Grammatical edits were made and an EA-adapted version of Handout 1 was shared on June 27, 2018. This editing note was added on December 23, 2022.</em></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In efforts to encourage understanding and openness on Inauguration Day, we wrote a pair of simple, short essays. One is designed to capture the views of the majority of Clinton supporters, the other, the views of the majority of Trump supporters. We had 80 supporters from each group read the corresponding essay and rate whether [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In efforts to encourage understanding and openness on Inauguration Day, we wrote a pair of simple, short essays. One is designed to capture the views of the majority of Clinton supporters, the other, the views of the majority of Trump supporters. We had 80 supporters from each group read the corresponding essay and rate whether they agreed or disagreed with each sentence, and whether they agreed with the essay overall.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After adjustments based on the feedback we received, we published the two essays below, with at least 50% of the corresponding group agreeing to each sentence (see color coding) and high levels of overall agreement to the whole essays (see the bottom of the infographic &#8211; 84% overall agreement for the Clinton Essay, 94% for the Trump essay, though the subjects were not from a nationally representative sample).</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image"><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/c.fastcompany.net/asset_files/-/2016/12/16/full-trump_clinton_sentences.jpg?w=750&#038;ssl=1" alt=""/></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Our thinking was that trying to simulate the perspective of both sides is one of the best ways to check your understanding. And that understanding both sides is useful for many reasons (epistemic, altruistic, strategic), even if you won&#8217;t ever support or agree with them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re interested in learning more, this Fast Company article discusses our motivation and approach:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/3066609/try-this-exercise-in-radical-empathy-to-minimize-conflict">https://www.fastcompany.com/3066609/try-this-exercise-in-radical-empathy-to-minimize-conflict</a></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are an incredible range of subjects that people disagree about, but only a small number of core reasons that people disagree. When we encounter complex and difficult to resolve disputes, it can be helpful to break them down in terms of these reasons. This process can help give us insight into what is preventing [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are an incredible range of subjects that people disagree about, but only a small number of core reasons that people disagree. When we encounter complex and difficult to resolve disputes, it can be helpful to break them down in terms of these reasons. This process can help give us insight into what is preventing a consensus from being reached.</p>
<p>Disagreements can be caused by:</p>
<p><strong>1. Facts.</strong> People have access to different information. One person has studied physics, another hasn&#8217;t. One has spent years reading American news sources, another, Chinese ones. Differing sources will expose people to different facts about the world, which can naturally lead to disagreement. People have had different personal experiences as well, which can lead them to have different world views.</p>
<p><strong>2. Definitions.</strong> Words are used differently by different people. One says &#8220;God&#8221; to mean the god of the old testament, another uses it to mean a guiding force in the universe. One says &#8220;art&#8221; to mean what is considered valuable by the art establishment, another to refer to creative works that evoke emotion. Typically, people do not even know precisely what they themselves mean when they use words. This isn&#8217;t a problem most of the time, but can cause confusion in certain cases. Suppose I take a chair and table, cut them both in half, glue one half of the table to one half of the chair with the cut edges touching, and paint the whole thing gold. Is the object I&#8217;ve constructed a table, a chair, both or neither? Our usual usage of the words &#8220;chair&#8221; and &#8220;table&#8221; are not well specified in this case, so we have trouble answering the question. I don&#8217;t know precisely what you mean by &#8220;chair&#8221;, and I don&#8217;t even know precisely what I mean by it. When I hear the word it triggers associations, memories, an image, but not a precise definition. When people are using different definitions they frequently get into unproductive arguments about those definitions without realizing that they are merely using words differently. &#8220;That&#8217;s not art, it&#8217;s just <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)">an old urinal that someone found</a> and put in a gallery.&#8221; &#8220;Of course it&#8217;s art, it&#8217;s hanging in a museum, and clearly evokes emotion in the viewer!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>3. Values.</strong> People value and care about different things. One person thinks that more life in the universe is inherently a good thing, and so is in favor of increasing the size of the population. Another would prefer less life to be created if that would keep the existing people happier. One man places value on being remembered after he is dead, while another person doesn&#8217;t value it because she knows she won&#8217;t be able to experience that state of the world. Utilitarians place value on the world containing less suffering, Kantians value a world where certain universal rules are not violated, many people place value on the survival of animals species (even in cases where their survival does not benefit human beings), and so forth. There is nothing strange about different minds producing different labels for what is valuable and what lacks value. It does occasionally happen though that a person&#8217;s values are logically inconsistent (for instance, the person claims to value X while disvaluing Y, without realizing that X and Y amount to the same thing). [Comment: Related to values are the issues of tastes, preferences and interests. If you have a taste for chocolate rather than mushrooms, then you have an interest in going to the chocolate store rather than the mushroom store. A disagreement might then ensue regarding which store you &#8220;should&#8221; go to between you and someone with the opposite preferences. When you say &#8220;should&#8221; here it may be merely expressing your preference, but the conversation can take the form of a disagreement over what to do.]</p>
<p><strong>4. Signaling.</strong> Sometimes people disagree (or claim to disagree) merely to signal information to others. For instance, they might say they disagree with someone they don&#8217;t like to demonstrate their dislike, or they might agree with someone they like to make that person like them more. They might say that Shakespeare wrote fantastic plays not because they enjoy reading those plays, but because they want to be respected for being a literary intellectual. They might say that they love the Yankees because that makes them more accepted by their group of friends.</p>
<p><strong>5. Failures of logic.</strong> If the people on one or both sides of argument are engaging in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies">logical fallacies</a> or other failures of reasoning, they may end up disagreeing as a result. One person may argue that individual humans will never be able to live for more than 200 years because it has never happened before, while another will claim that we will definitely one day have lifespans longer than 200 years having extrapolated from the increase in longevity over the past 10,000 years. Since both sides have fallacious reasoning in this case, there is no reason to expect them to agree (unless their false logic just happens to lead them in the same direction). We can also include in this category the case where one person doesn&#8217;t have sufficient reasoning ability to understand an argument, and so is unable to properly evaluate it. Then, that person may disagree with the conclusion of the argument as a consequence of the argument being inaccessible to them.</p>
<p><strong>6. Competition</strong>. Sometimes disagreement is simply about scoring points for our side, at the expense of the other side. In political disagreement, the underlying goal may be to have your own group look good (e.g. to increase support for your group) or to have the other group look bad (e.g. to weaken their power or even humiliate them). For groups within organizations, disagreement may really be about a power struggle: which group should be able to make decisions about which things, and what magnitude of resources should be allocated to each group? We also may just dislike an individual person, and so deny facts that would make them look good, or claim something that makes them look bad. When we are having a disagreement with a person from another group about a standard topic on which our group and their group tend to fight, we should apply some skepticism and wonder whether the disagreement really has to do with the truth at all, or if it&#8217;s more accurate to think of it as a battle over group status, esteem or resources.</p>
<p><strong>7. Information processing methods.</strong> If people use different methods for processing information, they may end up disagreeing, even if the methods that each person relies on is quite reasonable. Brains do not perfectly update the strength of beliefs when encountering new information. Given limited computational resources, and the constraint that our brains evolved via natural selection, approximations like imperfect updating of credence are to be expected. If two brains both have pretty good but imperfect methods of updating beliefs based on evidence, they may end up disagreeing, even though they are both about as reliable as one another. When we reason explicitly information processing disagreements can also arise. For instance, if we want to estimate the chance that a friend will cancel on us for dinner, it is not obvious how we should weight our knowledge about how often friends cancel on us in general, compared to our knowledge about how often this particular friend has canceled on us. We have more data on all of our friends, which makes that estimate more reliable, but the data on this particular friend is more relevant to the particular case. Ideally, all of the known information should be combined in some way, but one can reasonably disagree about the best way to do this.</p>
<p><strong>8. Default beliefs.</strong> If you were to design an intelligent being, it would start off with certain beliefs (implicitly, if not explicitly) and it would be silly, if not impossible, to have it start by assigning a precisely equal probability to every possible state of the world. If the prior/default knowledge of two intelligent beings differs, they may come to different conclusions, even when they processed information in precisely the same way and have access to all the same information. If a human baby, an alien baby, and a robot were raised in precisely the same environment, they might end up believing substantively different things about the world merely because their brains have different built in assumptions. Their brains might, for instance, start out assuming different things about the nature of other intelligent beings.</p>
<p><strong>9. Self-interest</strong>. On a basic level, Bob probably cares about Bob&#8217;s well being more than he cares about Karen&#8217;s, and Karen probably cares about Karen&#8217;s well being more than she cares about Bob&#8217;s. While Bob and Karen may explain a disagreement in other, less self interested terms (e.g. &#8220;I think it&#8217;s best for the company if we move offices&#8221;), it could simply be that they are each acting self interestedly and have different interests. More subtly though, it often happens that people&#8217;s brains will make it hard for them to see the truth, because the truth will have negative consequences for them. Take, for instance, the case of someone raised their entire life in an extreme cult. If they encounter evidence that the cult&#8217;s beliefs are false, they are likely to experience intense anxiety, because finding out and believing that the cult is wrong could have very severe negative consequences for them, such as causing them to be cut off from all of the people they love. Hence, there may be intense psychological pressure not to think about this evidence anymore, or to come up with a rationalization for why the evidence must be wrong, which will be immediately rewarding by eliminating the anxiety. Effectively, your brain may not let you see the truth because it anticipates the negative consequences from doing so, and it is trying to protect you from those consequences.</p>
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<p>Suppose that two intelligences (people, aliens, A.I.s, etc.) exchange information about their beliefs, and their reasons for having those beliefs. If they start with the same default beliefs, employ the same information processing methods, do not make errors when they explicitly reason, are able to follow each other&#8217;s reasoning, share the same values, use the same definitions, and have access to the same facts (for instance due to exchanging factual information with each other), then you should expect those two intelligence to reach agreement.</p>
<p>Note, however, that these nine categories of disagreement are not entirely independent from each other. For instance, the distinction between bad information processing methods and illogical argumentation can blur. A poor choice of definitions can also be a form of illogical thinking when those definitions are meaningless (&#8220;Let&#8217;s define a squircle to be a square circle&#8221;). And the distinction between default beliefs and built in information processing methods can be fuzzy as well, since the effectiveness of information processing methods may depend on assumptions those methods make about the environment. It is also a possibility that there are disagreements which arise that aren&#8217;t due to any of the nine reasons listed above (should any other types of disagreements occur to you, please post them in the comments below!).</p>
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<p>Let&#8217;s see how this categorization system can help us understand real world debates. As our example we&#8217;ll use the debate about when abortion should be legal (a convenient choice because this debate has many facets and great complexity), taking into account the arguments frequently used by liberals and conservatives in the United States. A <a href="http://www.people-press.org/2006/08/03/pragmatic-americans-liberal-and-conservative-on-social-issues/">2006 survey</a> found that 60% of self-described &#8220;liberal democrats&#8221; thought that &#8220;abortion should be generally available&#8221;, versus 17% of self-described &#8220;conservative republicans&#8221;. Furthermore, 68% of these conservative republicans thought it should be either &#8220;illegal with few exceptions&#8221; or &#8220;never permitted&#8221; versus 23% of the liberal democrats. We&#8217;ll stick to considering this debate in terms of the first six reasons listed above that cause people disagree, since these six are often very useful frames of analysis.</p>
<p><strong>1. Facts.</strong> Liberals and conservatives tend to be exposed to different information. For instance, it would not be surprising if liberals were more likely to hear about ways in which women are negatively impacted by not having access to abortions, while Conservatives were more likely to hear about women who regret having had abortions. Most of us tend to spend time with people that share many of our beliefs, and to read news from sources that are at least somewhat aligned with those beliefs. That means that the facts and ideas we hear tend to support what we already think is true. We should expect the friends and news sources of liberals to propagate more information supporting liberal values, and likewise for the friends and news sources of conservatives. Even <a href="http://rationallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2010/01/is-google-making-us-less-rational.html">google reinforces this tendency</a>, when we happen to structure our queries in such a way that the results confirm our beliefs, and when Google automatically customizes our search results to be drawn from sources that are similar to those that we visit frequently.</p>
<p>The obvious solution to disagreements over facts is to exchange information with those you disagree with. This works well when people on the other side of the debate trust your sources as much as you do, and when they are willing to allow facts to change their minds. In practice, both of these assumptions are frequently violated. People commonly disregard information that contradicts their own beliefs, and latch onto the information that supports what they already think. When you encounter someone doing this, you can try asking the other person &#8220;what information WOULD make you change your mind about this issue, if that information were actually true?&#8221; That at least has a chance of getting the person to pre-commit to changing his or her mind if the relevant information can be found.</p>
<p><strong>2. Definitions.</strong> The abortion debate is frequently phrased in terms of whether a fetus can be said to be a &#8220;person&#8221; (or, similarly, a &#8220;human being&#8221;), with the argument going &#8220;It is wrong to kill a person, so if a fetus is a person, killing it is wrong.&#8221; This would seem to imply that if we can just decide whether a fetus is a person then the question will be answered. But this begs the question of what we mean by &#8220;person.&#8221; We all agree with that Barack Obama is a person, but the usual definition we use for person isn&#8217;t clear cut enough to decide whether that word applies to the fetus case. And even if it were clear cut, it wouldn&#8217;t matter. The underlying question is not whether a fetus is a person, but whether we place disvalue on the death of fetuses, and if so, how much, and why. Phrasing the question in terms of whether a fetus has the status of person is bound to lead to disagreement, since intuitions about what &#8220;person&#8221; means differ quite substantially, and when one person says &#8220;a fetus is a person&#8221; and another says &#8220;a fetus is not a person&#8221; they may well not being using the word person to mean the same thing.</p>
<p>A handy trick for helping to resolve disputes over definitions is to <a href="http://lesswrong.com/lw/nu/taboo_your_words/">taboo your words</a>. Basically, this means replacing any confusing or fuzzy words with other words that get more closely at what you are trying to say. So, rather than &#8220;person&#8221; say &#8220;being that can suffer&#8221;, or &#8220;creature that cares about whether it lives or dies&#8221;, or &#8220;thing that is or one day will be an adult human&#8221;, or whatever else it is that you are really trying to denote with that word. In other words, if you&#8217;re stuck debating whether something is or is not a person, ban the word &#8220;person&#8221; from the conversation and use a more descriptive phrase. Now see if that allows the conversation to move forward.</p>
<p><strong>3. Values.</strong> Some people place negative value on suffering, and believe that aborting a fetus is wrong if it causes the fetus to suffer, and that it is not wrong if there is no suffering. Others place negative value on the death of conscious entities, and so oppose abortion at the point that a fetus can reasonably be said to be conscious. Still others oppose depriving a being of its potential for future experiences, and so are anti-abortion on these grounds. Some people value rights, and believe the mother&#8217;s right to look out for her own interests trump those of the fetus until the point when the baby is self aware enough to get rights of its own. Still others value the life of anything that will become a human being, which includes fetuses.</p>
<p>Even though people can value different things without either of them being wrong, it still is sometimes possible to change what people are willing to say they value. For instance, you can try to demonstrate to them that one of their values conflicts with another of their values, which can cause one of those values to shift. Or you can try to show them that they do in fact value something that they claim not to, and prove it by means of an extreme example designed to provoke emotion.</p>
<p><strong>4. Signaling.</strong> Abortion debates sometimes devolve into claims that those in favor of abortions are &#8220;against life&#8221; or that those opposed are necessarily &#8220;against women&#8221;. Obviously those who are pro abortion almost never actually <em>want</em> fetuses to die, they just want the mother to have a choice of whether to give birth. Likewise, there are of course reasons one may oppose abortion due to concerns about the loss of life of the fetus while simultaneously supporting rights for women more generally. When we use phrases like &#8220;against life&#8221; or &#8220;against women&#8221; they typically serve to demonstrate our group identity, and label the other side as bad guys. They say a lot about our emotional reactions and how we want our side and the other side to be viewed, but little about what the other side actually believes.</p>
<p><strong>5. Failures of logic.</strong> Bad arguments are a prominent part of the abortion debates. Some such arguments fail because they rely on the ambiguity of words and assumptions that are left unexplained. For instance: &#8220;fetuses are human life, and human life is sacred, so killing fetuses is wrong.&#8221; Some take logical leaps that are not sufficiently filled in: &#8220;since an early term fetus can&#8217;t survive without the mother&#8217;s body, it is the mother&#8217;s choice whether to kill it&#8221;. Other arguments are true, but don&#8217;t demonstrate the claim they are used to support: &#8220;abortion is dangerous to mothers because it caries health risks&#8221;. Of course, this leaves out the fact that child birth itself carries substantial risks to the mother. Other arguments lead to question begging: &#8220;A women has a right to control what happens to her body, so she is justified in having abortions.&#8221; Where does this right come from, and if there is such a right, why does it trump other rights that might come into play in this case?</p>
<p>Convincing other people that their arguments are illogical, and identifying failed logic in our own arguments can be quite hard. A helpful tactic for dealing with illogic in others is to ask them to clarify their argument, rather than outright attacking it. For instance, saying &#8220;could you explain why X implies Y, as I&#8217;m having trouble seeing the connection&#8221; rather than saying &#8220;X doesn&#8217;t imply Y, you idiot.&#8221; Generally, the more people feel attacked, the more they feel they need to defend themselves, and the more likely it is that discussions with them will devolve into fights. Another useful technique, if you&#8217;re having trouble making headway, is to rephrase your disagreement with them. If they claim &#8220;X or Y&#8221; must be true, rather than just saying &#8220;that isn&#8217;t right&#8221; for the third time, you can try &#8220;Can you think of any other possibilities besides X and Y? Because I&#8217;m not convinced that one of them has to be true.&#8221; Or if someone says &#8220;X implies Y&#8221; and you&#8217;re quite sure it doesn&#8217;t, you can ask &#8220;so if Y were not true, you think that would imply that X is not true?&#8221; This helps people look at their own claims from a different angle, which may make them realize problems in their arguments that they didn&#8217;t identify before.</p>
<p><strong>6. Group Competition. </strong>At first glance the argument may be about abortion legalization, but is it really about abortion legalization? Or is it more about trying to show that the other group is bad, for instance by trying to demonstrate they have no respect for women&#8217;s rights, or that they have no respect for the rights of the unborn? It may be that this is better understood as a fight about whose group is good or bad, or an attempt to increase group membership (if the disagreement is carried out in the public sphere), rather than a debate over what&#8217;s true.</p>
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<p>When we encounter a complex and difficult to resolve disagreement, we can gain insight into why it is occurring and how it might be resolved by considering the roles of the nine (and particularly, the first six) fundamental reasons for disagreement: (1) facts, (2) definitions, (3) values, (4) signaling, (5) failures of logic, (6) group competition, (7) information processing methods, (8) default beliefs, and (9) self-interest.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your beliefs form something like a temple. The temple has many columns, rooms, and towers. The columns are facts and reasons that support the rooms. The rooms of the temple represent your major beliefs. The towers correspond to beliefs that build on each other. For example, you have rooms corresponding to aspects of your moral [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your beliefs form something like a temple. The temple has many columns, rooms, and towers. The columns are facts and reasons that support the rooms. The rooms of the temple represent your major beliefs. The towers correspond to beliefs that build on each other.</p>
<p>For example, you have rooms corresponding to aspects of your moral philosophy. On top of these rooms, supported by your moral philosophy, are rooms corresponding to your political philosophy. On top of these are still other rooms, corresponding to your beliefs about political parties. And on top of these, more rooms, containing your beliefs about political candidates. These stack in a tower of politics.</p>
<p>The various rooms and towers of your temple represent everything that you believe. Each room is supported by its columns, and supports the rooms above it. High up rooms rely on many rooms beneath them.</p>
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<p>Suppose that you ask someone why he supports a certain political candidate. His brain runs a search algorithm of sorts, looking for an answer that rings true to him that you might also accept. A justification is identified, corresponding to one of the columns in a high up room that contains beliefs about that political candidate.</p>
<p>He tells you this reason. You then point out, rightly, that it is not logically sound. He realizes that you are right (respecting logic, as he does), and the column collapses. Does the whole room of his support for that candidate then collapse? No. There are still twenty other columns in that room, and the one that he showed you was barely supporting any weight. As soon as it was removed, the ceiling of the room merely shifted a centimeter, and the excess weight was redistributed across the remaining columns. You&#8217;ve won a fight with no significance, knocked over a non-weight-bearing column. If you ask him why he still supports this candidate, his brain searches again, and provides a different column now as the justification. You could spend hours kicking over columns, without ever putting the structural integrity of the room in jeopardy.</p>
<p>Now, suppose that you locate a critical column in his belief structure. One low in his temple, that carries a great deal of weight. If this column were removed, the nearby columns would not be strong enough to take over its burden. The ceiling of its room would collapse, and the rooms above that are supported by it would have to come crashing down as well. Knocking over this column could destroy an entire tower of his belief structure.</p>
<p>So what happens when you attack this critical column with logic? It doesn&#8217;t move. This column is carrying so much weight that it is almost impossible to budge. And while he is mostly unbothered by you kicking down non-weight-bearing columns, he hugs this column tightly as you try to knock it down, and won&#8217;t let go. He is not willing to see that tower fall. It took so much work and investment to build it. He doesn&#8217;t have any tower that can replace it. His social circle approves of that tower. He&#8217;s not sure what life would be like without it. He&#8217;s not sure he would be the same person without it. If he doesn&#8217;t have logic to use against your argument, he won&#8217;t hug the column any less tightly. He&#8217;ll resort to logical fallacies, rationalizations, claims that &#8220;truth is relative&#8221;, <a href="http://lesswrong.com/lw/k5/cached_thoughts/">cached thoughts</a>, insults, or plugging his ears.</p>
<p>Suppose, however, that before jeopardizing the structural integrity of that tower, you help him build a new one right next to it. This tower is in the same architectural style as the first, but new and clean and sleek. Each room in the old tower corresponds to one of the new tower&#8217;s rooms, but the content is different. This new tower has more solid foundations, built on beliefs about the importance of gathering evidence, thinking very carefully, verifying predictions, opening ideas up for criticism, and testing theories.</p>
<p>Now, suppose that when he sees that the construction of this new tower is going well, you point out that he&#8217;ll eventually need to clear away the old tower to make enough space to finish the new construction. Then, when he is ready, you help him as he pulls down the old tower&#8217;s critical column. Together, you pull, and watch the old tower fall to make way for the new. To help him teardown his tower, you helped him build a new one first.</p>
<p>So remember:</p>
<ul>
<li>Sometimes the reasons why people claim they believe are not the reasons that actually matter.</li>
<li>People will often fight vigorously to prevent their belief structures from crumbling, even in the face of strong evidence against their beliefs.</li>
<li>Sometimes you need to give a person new beliefs before tearing down their old ones.</li>
</ul>
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		<title>What&#8217;s So Special About Your Own Beliefs?</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Suppose that Tom and Sally have a disagreement over a factual question (as opposed to one of values or preferences). She claims that the argument he is making has errors or is unconvincing, but Tom feels the same way about her argument. They debate the question for an hour, but afterwords are still each adamantly [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suppose that Tom and Sally have a disagreement over a factual question (as opposed to one of values or preferences). She claims that the argument he is making has errors or is unconvincing, but Tom feels the same way about her argument. They debate the question for an hour, but afterwords are still each adamantly convinced that his or her own reasoning is sound while the other person&#8217;s is flawed. In this instance, is each person really more justified believing in his or her own belief than he or she is in believing the other person&#8217;s belief? More specifically, from Tom&#8217;s perspective is it really more likely that his own beliefs are more likely to be correct than hers? What about from Sally&#8217;s perspective?</p>
<p>Notice that in the situation described above the only information given so far that differentiates Tom&#8217;s argument from Sally&#8217;s is that Tom&#8217;s mind labeled his own argument true whereas Sally&#8217;s mind labeled hers as true. Both of them are aware of this. In order for this difference to be a good reason for Tom to believe his own belief rather than Sally&#8217;s, he must be able to explain why things that are labeled true by his mind are more reliable than things that are labeled so by hers.</p>
<p>If it were the case that Tom&#8217;s mind was more reliable at correctly identifying truth than Sally&#8217;s (in the particular topic area of their discussion), then he might be able to justify believing his own belief rather than hers on these grounds. But if that were the case, and he and Sally both knew it, then she would also have the same reason to believe his belief rather than her own. On the other hand, if her mind were more reliable at discovering truth than his, that would be a justification for her believing her own belief rather than his, but it would also give him the same reason to believe her idea and not his own. In other words, if it is mutually understood that one of the two is a more reliable truth identifier than the other, then they both have that as a reason to trust the ideas of whoever is better.</p>
<p>But what happens if Tom and Sally disagree about who is better at determining the truth on this subject? That is, what if she thinks her truth identification is superior and Tom thinks his is? Now the question of who is right has been raised one level higher than before. Why should Tom believe that he is better than she is at determining who is a better truth identifier? How can Tom justify using his own view of his truth-finding abilities rather than hers? Unless they both agree that Tom is better at identifying who is a better truth identifier, the problem is raised yet another level higher! Occasionally, one can settle this question fairly objectively, by asking how often each person has proven to be correct on past predictions related to this subject. But in the general case, there may be no resolution.</p>
<p>So far, all of the information that has been presented has been symmetric in that if it causes Tom to believe something, it should cause Sally to as well and vice versa, so long as it is known to them both. But one thing that differentiates Tom&#8217;s argument from Tom&#8217;s perspective and Sally&#8217;s argument from Tom&#8217;s perspective is that Tom at least knows that he is not purposefully deceiving himself. From his perspective though, he can&#8217;t be sure that Sally really believes what she claims to, and can&#8217;t rule out the possibility that she is fabricating evidence. So in situations where Sally&#8217;s is likely to be deceitful, Tom may be justified favoring his argument on those grounds (keeping in mind that people do deceive themselves all the time, though at least they rarely do so on purpose).</p>
<p>Perhaps the best reason Tom can have to favor his argument over Sally&#8217;s, however, is if he can confirm that she is using reasoning processes that don&#8217;t reliably lead to truth, but neither she nor he is able to make the same claims about his arguments. For instance, while applying the rule &#8220;If A implies B then not B implies not A&#8221; will lead to valid conclusions, applying the rule &#8220;if A implies B then not A implies not B&#8221; will generally not lead to valid conclusions. So her argument is problematic if it relies on a point like &#8220;if something violates a human right, it is generally considered to be wrong, but this does not violate a human right, so it isn&#8217;t generally considered wrong.&#8221; Pure logical fallacies are not the only non-truth generating type of argument though. Some other types of arguments which can (at least in many cases) be non-truth producing are those that rely on:</p>
<ul>
<li>sketchily defined words (e.g. &#8220;A fetus is not yet a human.&#8221;)</li>
<li>emotional reasoning (e.g. &#8220;I feel that he has wronged me, therefore he has&#8221;)</li>
<li>intuition (e.g. &#8220;It&#8217;s obviously true from my experiences that I make decisions, therefore I have free will&#8221;)</li>
<li>metaphors (e.g. &#8220;Taxing a person is like robbing them, and we all agree robbery is immoral so we must agree that taxes are too.&#8221;)</li>
<li>facts that themselves are left undemonstrated (e.g. &#8220;Although you have nothing in common, you should go on a date because opposites attract.&#8221;)</li>
</ul>
<p>So if you find yourself in a factual debate and it continues to go unresolved, ask yourself:</p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;by objective 3rd party measures (like prediction accuracy), am I a more reliable truth identifier in this situation than she is?&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;How likely is it that she is deceiving me about what she really believes or knows?&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Does her argument rely on procedures that don&#8217;t reliably produce the truth? Does mine?&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>You need good reasons to believe your own beliefs. You are not justified in believing your own thoughts over other people&#8217;s merely because they are your own!</p>
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