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		By: Raymond Howard		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Somewhat repetitive, but well constructed. I think delving into the history of occupations is necessary to get the full picture of this. We can see the formation of guilds in the formation of two of the first nation-states: Egypt and India. The animal headed gods are likely symbols of the shamans who were the connection between the people of the separate tribes of the nation and the protector spirit of a species of animal. Thus there was, likely, in prehistoric Egypt, a tribe worshiping the jackal, another worshiping the lion, alligator, ibis, etc. When the Sahara began to dry out, these all migrated to the Nile Valley, where each tribe took on a hereditary occupation so as not to fall into warfare with one another. Thus, the tribe of the jackal became hereditary undertakers, the tribe of the falcon, aristocracy or royalty, etc. This was the process of tribes becoming castes.

After some time like this, people must have entered Egypt who did not come with a tribe. Others may not have been of the Egyptian nation at all. At the same time, new skills were needed in Egypt as certain resources were depleted and others were discovered, and technology changed. Also, as in common, some tribes probably dwindled. All these causes led to the beginning of apprenticeship. Originally, in Egypt, this was a form of adoption. We can see why when considering the above described origin of caste in tribes becoming civilized.

Guilds probably originated in castes which had become extinct while their services were still valuable.

While economic systems have changed markedly since ancient times, aste systems have grown into class systems, but retained most of their features. While the pecking order is different from the original, the business class, military class, and intelligentsia jockey for position while exploiting the working class and oppressing outcast minorities in all Indo-european societies. Your purely economic and social status arguments fail about guilds fail to include this sort of thing, so fail to show just how fundamental guilds are to modern Western societies and how unlikely they are to be reformed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhat repetitive, but well constructed. I think delving into the history of occupations is necessary to get the full picture of this. We can see the formation of guilds in the formation of two of the first nation-states: Egypt and India. The animal headed gods are likely symbols of the shamans who were the connection between the people of the separate tribes of the nation and the protector spirit of a species of animal. Thus there was, likely, in prehistoric Egypt, a tribe worshiping the jackal, another worshiping the lion, alligator, ibis, etc. When the Sahara began to dry out, these all migrated to the Nile Valley, where each tribe took on a hereditary occupation so as not to fall into warfare with one another. Thus, the tribe of the jackal became hereditary undertakers, the tribe of the falcon, aristocracy or royalty, etc. This was the process of tribes becoming castes.</p>
<p>After some time like this, people must have entered Egypt who did not come with a tribe. Others may not have been of the Egyptian nation at all. At the same time, new skills were needed in Egypt as certain resources were depleted and others were discovered, and technology changed. Also, as in common, some tribes probably dwindled. All these causes led to the beginning of apprenticeship. Originally, in Egypt, this was a form of adoption. We can see why when considering the above described origin of caste in tribes becoming civilized.</p>
<p>Guilds probably originated in castes which had become extinct while their services were still valuable.</p>
<p>While economic systems have changed markedly since ancient times, aste systems have grown into class systems, but retained most of their features. While the pecking order is different from the original, the business class, military class, and intelligentsia jockey for position while exploiting the working class and oppressing outcast minorities in all Indo-european societies. Your purely economic and social status arguments fail about guilds fail to include this sort of thing, so fail to show just how fundamental guilds are to modern Western societies and how unlikely they are to be reformed.</p>
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