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					<description><![CDATA[Well, 

to be honest, you&#039;re gut intutition was correct. I have studied this topic in detail and concluded that the phenomena (properly defined) is not real. Very rigorous experiments on this are lacking, the only ones I know of were performed by Prof. Brownridge and show no real effect. 

That is, with *identical containers* of hot and cold water being cooled *under identical conditions*, the the cold water will always start freezing first. 

The real upshot is that most experiments do not properly control for all the confounding variables 

- slight differences in containers, such as the nucleation sites they have, which cannot be avoided. 
- differences thermal conduction, etc
- differences in dissolved gases &#038; solids
- differences in evaporation

The real lesson here is that we must precisely define what we are talking about and make sure the experiment controls for every possible confounding variable. 

I have written a much longer exposition of this if you are interested on my blog: 
https://moreisdifferent.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/does-hot-water-freeze-faster-than-cold/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, </p>
<p>to be honest, you&#8217;re gut intutition was correct. I have studied this topic in detail and concluded that the phenomena (properly defined) is not real. Very rigorous experiments on this are lacking, the only ones I know of were performed by Prof. Brownridge and show no real effect. </p>
<p>That is, with *identical containers* of hot and cold water being cooled *under identical conditions*, the the cold water will always start freezing first. </p>
<p>The real upshot is that most experiments do not properly control for all the confounding variables </p>
<p>&#8211; slight differences in containers, such as the nucleation sites they have, which cannot be avoided.<br />
&#8211; differences thermal conduction, etc<br />
&#8211; differences in dissolved gases &amp; solids<br />
&#8211; differences in evaporation</p>
<p>The real lesson here is that we must precisely define what we are talking about and make sure the experiment controls for every possible confounding variable. </p>
<p>I have written a much longer exposition of this if you are interested on my blog:<br />
<a href="https://moreisdifferent.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/does-hot-water-freeze-faster-than-cold/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://moreisdifferent.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/does-hot-water-freeze-faster-than-cold/</a></p>
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